Talk:1974 Super Outbreak

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Difficult to confirm infobox data

Infobox data was just changed for the 1st Tanner Alabama tornado and I don't know what to confirm the changes against. The same goes for most of the infoboxes. It seems to me that eventually we need to pin these things down. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 18:50, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

"April 4, 1974" listed at Redirects for discussion

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List

Seeing as how the list of tornadoes for this outbreak is pretty poorly managed and a lot of conflicting info has come about in studies since then. I recently came across Cyclonebiskit's remodeling of this and I’m inclined to move the list stuff over given how much better it looks compared to our current one, however I’m in a bit of an ethical dilemma seeing as how he hasn’t edited in general in two months and abandoned the draft in the summer of 2023 it seems (not sure if it was complete or not). I would WP:ASSUMEGOODFAITH here, but want to talk about here first, given we know how old this outbreak was and definitely needs some remodeling to bring it up to standard (to about the 2011 outbreak, which is much better sorted). MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 05:48, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

I personally think the formatting is fine, it just needs more citations. I also can't remember the last time we used the "Data from Grazulis 1990/1993", "Data from the NCEI database" etc. — E_F⁵ 11:31, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

@EF5: see Tornado outbreak of April 2–3, 1956, Tornado outbreak of August 6, 1969, Tornado outbreak of March 21–22, 1952 and Tornado outbreak of November 7–8, 1957 as examples. Most of these were published in the last 2 years, and use this format because back then due to technology being in infancy, a lot of things went missed or went incomplete in initial summaries. There are discrepancies in the databases like NCEI or whatnot. Grazulis’s data, like OIS is regarded as nearly official, and it’s best to mention these differences. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 20:31, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

CB is retired from Wiki, but he said you can do whatever you want with the list. wxtrackercody (talk · contributions) 20:48, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Ah okay. Yeah seeing his last edit summary I understand why he did after Palisades :( but yeah I’ll make do with the list. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 20:55, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Full restructure?

I think we're gonna need a group of people to help adjust everything in #Confirmed tornadoes to what CB had in his draft(s) list before he abandoned it, since information on the tornadoes in the section prior to the list revamp was different. I certainly can't do it all on my own nor do I have the amount of dedication that he had to finding this information, but a group effort could make this much easier. In general actually the article needs a revamp to bring it up to par with 2011 Super Outbreak, IMO, and it seems he was also compiling non-tornadic effects which this article was severely lacking. Provided he still gives blessing to this since he is retired now (and in the case thats different I can undo that), his work looked incredibly more full of information than what's currently written on the main page. Looking at the edit history, it seems @CapeVerdeWave: here began adding some info before leaving the draft alone, so I wouldn't mind his help if he is fine with that seeing he also works on tornado stuff. As one of the most infamous outbreaks, it sure would be good to have it up to quality standards on the Wiki, no? :) --MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 04:27, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

@MarioProtIV and Cyclonebiskit: I concur. Perhaps even separate articles can be made for some of the tornadoes themselves, once all the data are used. At any rate, I am willing to help, but to be honest, the task looks daunting, given the nature of the event itself. In particular Cyclonebiskit employed a lot of unofficial or semi-official sources (i.e., Fujita, Grazulis, and NWS reanalyses) for tornado data, so much may need to be reworked there as well; I would definitely recommend keeping the individual Fujita map-numbers as useful referents, however. CapeVerdeWave (talk) 09:16, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

I've already made articles on several of the F5s (WP:NTORNADO); the F4s need work though. Wouldn't mind helping. — E_F⁵ 15:12, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Any help’s worth it! The data from semi-official sources as I noted above is primarily because of the conflicting data because of primitive technology back then that likely missed quite a bit of data that we easily can get today with modern tornadoes. Plus, the authors were definitely big names in the tornado community, especially Fujita and Grazulis). Additionally as noted they’ve been incorporated into the newer pages for 1950s-1970s outbreaks lately too. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 15:31, 25 March 2025 (UTC)